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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: Dungeons & Dragons (1977) -- OCE white box set
Original Collectors Edition (6th print) white box set.
Title: Dungeons & Dragons
Item Code: 2002
Type: Rules for the original Dungeons & Dragons fantasy role-playing system
Copyright: 1974 by Tactical Studies Rules, OCE (6th) printing 1977
Author(s): Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson
Artwork: Keenan Powell, Greg Bell, C. Corey, D. Arneson, and T. Keogh and David Sutherland
Cartography: n/a
Place of Publication: Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, United States
Printer: n/a
Format: white box containing three softcover booklets, and 20 page (5 sheet) reference booklet
ISBN: n/a
Cover Price: n/a
Mass: 310g
Dimensions: box: length 23.2cm, width 15.6cm, thickness 3.8cm (label printed on left side of box)
Volume 1: length 21.4cm, width 13.9cm, thickness .3cm
Volume 2: length 21.4cm, width 13.9cm, thickness .3cm
Volume 3: length 21.4cm, width 13.6cm, thickness .3cm
Men & Magic:
*Note no prices listed or subscription info for Dragon Magazine.
Monsters & Treasure:
The Underworld & Wilderness adventures:
Reference Sheets:
If treated as a booklet, the Reference Sheets read as follows across the tops:
page 1 Dungeons & Dragons (cover)
page 2 Spells Table
page 3 Die Roll Curse: (Range 3" Diameter)
page 4 The Monsters
page 5 3Pirates will have prisoners as do Bandits, ......
page 6 Wilderness Wandering Monsters:
page 7 Referee's Map is a ........
page 8 Monster Determination and level of Monster Matrix:
page 9 Statistics Regarding Classes:
page 10 Attack Matrix I.: Men Attacking
page 11 Savings Throw Matrix:
page 12 Basic Equipment and costs:
page 13 5_________ Die 6_________ Die
page 14 Fighting-Men within castles will demand .......
page 15 Die Lycanthropes swimmer types dragon types
page 16 Treasure Types:
page 17 Monster Reference Table continued
page 18 Miscellaneous Weapons:
page 19 Spells Table
page 20 48-52 Boots of Speed
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject:
Additional printing (7th?) for the OCE.
The only difference I have seen so far is the catalog on the last page of Men & Magic.
This print lists prices for all items and adds the subscription rates for Dragon Magazine.
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject:
This was from David ((I think the perceived '7th' with prices was to become the '6th', and the no prices 7th iirc he mentioned someplace))
Quote:
"Non priced" (i.e. no "$3.50" on cover) booklets.
- Only checked two copies of "5th" for consistency
- "5", "6", "7" are numbers for my convenience only since there may be further "hidden" printings, plus other cover variants).
- Notes in red are more significant points. Orange, somewhat significant.
- Minor printing flaws observed may not be significant in the end analysis, but could be of use for chronological purposes esp. if they occurred between prints. (n.b. not every single one listed here).
M&M
6.11 “hobbits” – uncorrected – all
8 Hobbits & Balrog (5) Halflings & Dragon (6,7)
9 Hobbits, Ents, Balrogs (5) Halflings, Treants, <blank> (6,7)
9.3 Netrality – uncorrected - all
13.7 “so long as they” – most of “as” and bottom-left of “a” missing – uncorrected – all
15.1 “ENCUMBERANCE-” - present (5,7), missing (6)
23.11 “(i.e, a Balrog),” (5) – removed (6,7)
28.last “e” in “possess” broken (6 only)
30.18 “u” in “required” broken – all
30.18 “st” in against broken (5) – repaired (6,7)
34.20 “c” in “magic” broken (5) – repaired (6,7)
36 “PRODUCTS LIST” & totally different format, ending with “Complete Catalog” and “TSR HOBBIES” + address (5)
- Relabeled as “Other Fantasy Releases by TSR” + price column, Rates for Dragon & “Complete Catalog” on the last line (7)
- “Other Fantasy Releases by TSR”, no price column, no Rates for Dragon & no “Complete Catalog”, but still with “booklet only” prices in the description texts (6)
(n.b. both (6) and (7) have Dragon “Published 8 times yearly” – uncorrected?)
M&T
1 image labeled “Nazgul” (5) – title removed (6,7)
3 “% In Liar” – uncorrected - all
3 “Balrogs” (5) – whole line removed (6,7)
4 “Ents” (5) Treants” (6,7)
4.near end “Large Insects.. 2-16” “16” OK (5) “16” broken at top (6,7)
5-8 pages guillotined short at base (5,7) level at base (6) – is this consistent?
7.ORCS para “Tolkein” ref (5) – removed and para reformatted (6,7)
7.”Balrog… 25%/100 Orcs…” present (5) – whole line removed (6,7)
8 “Lord Sunsany” – uncorrected – all
9 “Barrow Wights (per Tolkein)” (5) – “Wights” and para reformatted; end of last line “energy by a Wight becomes a Wight” left duplicated in previous font (6,7) - plus "Tolkein" - uncorrected all - of course
9 “The Nazgul of Tolkein…” sentence (5) – removed and para reformatted (6,7)
13 image labeled “Balrog” (5) – title removed (6,7)
14 “BALROGS” paragraph/description (5) – removed and replaced by Tom Wham artwork (6,7)
15.22 broken “h” in “such” (7 only)
16.ENTS refs to Ents (5) – replaced by Treants and para reformatted (6,7)
17.3 “e” in “they” blotched (5) – repaired (6,7)
17.ROCS para “Eagles of Tolkein…” ref (5) – removed and para reformatted (6,7)
20 “Tyrannasaurus Rex” – uncorrected - all
22 Treasure Type F – missing hook in “r” of “any other” – uncorrected – all
23.2 last “s” in “Silver Pieces” more faded/damaged at end (in 6)
23 Sword 61-65 - +3 vs…. “Ents” (5) – “Treants” and “65” damaged (6,7)
23 Sword 81-82 – “8” of “81” damaged (6 only)
27.sword alignment - ref to Ents (5) – changed to Treants and para reformatted (6,7)
30.sword purposes –bottom left of first “C” in “slaying (Chaotic)” broken (6 only)
31.POTIONS – “self-explanarorv” – uncorrected – all
32.potion of Animal Control – damage to top of “O” in “One turn” (6,7 only)
32.potion of Fire Resistance – “Balrog immolation” – uncorrected – all Smile
32.(line above previous Balrog ref.) – “Fire” (5) in “Dragon Fire” – word replaced/in slightly different font (6,7) (slight difference between 6 & 7, too?))
32.potion of Treasure Finding – break(?) in “c” of “considerable” (7 only)
35.6 bottom first “f” in “Staff” broken – all
35.Staff of Wizardry – mark at top/above “y” in “how many and which kind” – uncorrected – all
36.16 – break at left side of “v” in “Evil High Priests” (5 only)
37.Helm of Chaos – “sucha” (one word) – uncorrected – all
37 – two lines down from previous – “of” in “of course the person” appears replaced? (all)
37.Drums of Panic – ink spotting in middle of lines around “…these… morale…” (5 only)
U&WA
4 possible weakness in dark area at bottom left of dungeon map (6 only)
5.6 “2” of “2 000” damaged (all)
5.17 word “gentle” at end of line appears replaced, with vertical line before it (all)
5.2nd last line. “r” in “door” with blob at top (all)
8.10 base of “gg” in “suggested” trimmed (all)
9.7 damage/splotch above “d” in “required” (6,7 only)
9.18 Hobbits (5) Halflings (6,7)
9.27 “their” in “their normal shape,” appears replaced (all)
10.Monster Level 3/10 – “Giant Weasles” – uncorrected all
11.Monster Level 6/9 – Balrogs (5) Spectres (6,7)
11 top of “C” in “Cyborgs” trimmed (6,7 only)
13.last “REF” para. “min” in “…seemingly empty trunk…” apparently replaced/damaged – uncorrected all
14 image labeled “Nazgul” (5) – title removed (6,7)
14.next line “THE” in “THE WILDERNESS” damaged (6,7 only)
15.1 “Grayhawk” – uncorrected – all
15.5 top of “ng” in “dungeon” trimmed off (6,7)
15.table “Balrogs” and “Ents” (5) “Chmrs.” and “Treants” (6,7)
15.Magic-Users – top-left of “M” trimmed off (6,7)
16. MOVEMENT table – “Balrog” line (5) removed (6,7)
16.line before table – middle of first “l” in “normal flying” possibly broken (6 only)
17.6 top left of “m” in “movement” broken (5 only)
17.14 middle of second “s” in “surprised” poss. broken (7 only)
17. below efreet pic. Diagonal “cut” line up from first “V” in “OUTDOOR SURVIVAL” (7 only)
17. second last line. first “e” in “waterbourne” broken (7 only)
18.4 first “M” in “MONSTERS” broken at top left (6 only)
18. last “12” line “Balrogs” and “Ents” (5,6) blank and “Treants” (7)
19.2 “Weresolves” – uncorrected – all
19.Dragon Types/10. “Balrogs” (5,6) blank (7)
25.13 top of first “P” in “Paper” trimmed (6,7) and large blotch at bottom left of “h” in “should” (6,7)
25 image labeled “Ent” (5) – title removed (6,7)
31.6 “s” in “sheared” damaged – all
31.8th last. Spot under”w” of “will” (6 only)
32.5,6. end of line “string…would” weak print (5 only)
33.2nd last. consistent ink splotches around “In Sail” (5,7 only)
36 consistent ink splotches around “FIGHT ON!” (5,7 only)
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Can see how this could be read to give an order of printing 5,7,6 given various printing flaws and the staple similarities between 5 and 7. In this case, the price column in the stock list in 6 could've been removed when they, and the catalog, were no longer valid, rather than having been "missed" first time, as I thought initially... However, that scenario would also require some central pages of U&WA (with the Balrogs and Ents) to have been "stacked away" for compilation later.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:35 am Post subject:
My font research lead me to at least a couple of other differences:
Pg 3.1: "Forward"
Again, this seems to appear in some prints (5th?) but not others. It does not exist in mine. But I've seen scans showing this text (specifically a purported 5th print).
Pg 6: Image labeled Sprites
This exists in some prints (5th?) but not others (6th or 7th)
My copy matches 6th and 7th from the descriptions above and does not have the image. Again, I've seen scans of multiple other books that do have this image.
Font replacement/reformatting in M&M of last two paragraphs of pg 6 and hold portal on pg 23. Can't compare these yet against other print runs.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:24 am Post subject:
I think it would be good idea to add images of one of the examples. Which page do you guys think would be the best one to include? _________________ "This is cool."
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject:
Plaag wrote:
This was from David ((I think the perceived '7th' with prices was to become the '6th', and the no prices 7th iirc he mentioned someplace))
Quote:
"Non priced" (i.e. no "$3.50" on cover) booklets.
- Only checked two copies of "5th" for consistency
- "5", "6", "7" are numbers for my convenience only since there may be further "hidden" printings, plus other cover variants).
- Notes in red are more significant points. Orange, somewhat significant.
- Minor printing flaws observed may not be significant in the end analysis, but could be of use for chronological purposes esp. if they occurred between prints. (n.b. not every single one listed here).
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject:
Title: Dungeons & Dragons
Item Code: 2002
Type: Rules for the original Dungeons & Dragons fantasy role-playing system
Copyright: 1974 by Tactical Studies Rules
Author(s): Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson
Artwork: Keenan Powell, Greg Bell, C. Corey, D. Arneson, and T. Keogh and David Sutherland
Cartography: n/a
Place of Publication: Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, United States
Printer: n/a
Format: white box containing three softcover booklets, and reference booklet (3 sheets)
ISBN: n/a
Cover Price: n/a
Mass: 292g
Dimensions: box: length 23.4cm, width 15.8cm, thickness 3.9cm (label printed on left side of box)
Volume 1: length 21.4cm, width 13.9cm, thickness .3cm
Volume 2: length 21.5cm, width 13.9cm, thickness .3cm
Volume 3: length 21.5cm, width 13.9cm, thickness .3cm
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